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> This reminds me of Paul Graham's articles, in which he claims that LISP
> programmers are better. But why is it so (whether or not you agree to
> the conclusion)? There are at least two opposite reasons: 1. Because
> programmers that learned LISP become better 2. Because good programmers
> prefer LISP when they come to know it.

No. 1 is true, naturally. No. 2 is not true - I know LISP but I prefer Perl. 
Other like Python, etc. The reasons I don't prefer LISP are:

1. The standards of Common LISP and Scheme don't define anything practical.
2. LISP is at the moment incredibly verbose.
3. As Larry Wall noted, all LISP code comes in parenthesis and so it all looks 
the same. (Perl is the exact opposite in this regard).
4. I cannot make heads nor tails of serious LISP code. Many LISPers create so 
many macros and use them along with regular LISP code, so you keep having to 
refer to the previous definitions, and make a lot of research to get you 
started.

SICP Scheme is easy and fun. But serious LISP code can take too much time to 
understand. OTOH, recently I had little problem reading the source code of 
other Perl programmers, and extending it or fixing bugs. (likewise for 
Python).

    -- Shlomi Fish
    -- Post to Linux-IL ( http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il%40cs.huji.ac.il/msg39629.html )

   <dazjorz>  rindolf!
   <dazjorz>  areth thou here?
   <rindolf>  Hi dazjorz
   <dazjorz>  :)
   <rindolf>  dazjorz: yes, I are here.
   <dazjorz>  isn't it kind of weird to have a programming channel when
              there are language specific channels around?
       <Zuu>  Muhah!
   <rindolf>  dazjorz: this is about programming in general.
   <rindolf>  At least theoretically.
   <rindolf>  And VB.NET questions.
 <joeyadams>  Well, ##programming is a good place to ask C questions and
              actually get helpful answers :)
   <dazjorz>  rindolf: did you intentionally make it look like vb.net is
              not programming?
   <rindolf>  dazjorz: meet Zuu - he's into Windows and D and stuff.
   <dazjorz>  !
   <rindolf>  dazjorz: no.
   <rindolf>  dazjorz: VB.NET is programming.
   <dazjorz>  hey Zuu, I'm dazjorz, I'm into linux and c and stuff.
   <rindolf>  But it has its own channel.
       <Zuu>  :>
   <dazjorz>  rindolf: I've been thinking about changing nicks
   <rindolf>  dazjorz: ah. so did I.
           *  Zuu is into everything sane, except the boring stuff
   <rindolf>  dazjorz: to what?
   <dazjorz>  rindolf: my current one is waaaay too lame, but "sjors" is
              probably too generic
   <rindolf>  dazjorz: I like dazjorz
   <dazjorz>  rindolf: I don't, because when people see my name is sjors,
              da zjorz is just too lame to bear
   <dazjorz>  rindolf: I was thinking about sjors, or some three-letter
              abbreviation of my name, sjg or so
       <Zuu>  how about.... 'carrot' ?
   <dazjorz>  I think I do prefer dazjorz over carrot
       <Zuu>  no worries, i promise not to stuff you up rindolf's tomato
              nose
       <Zuu>  hum :<
   <dazjorz>  Zuu: when I first read your nick on Shlomi's site five
              minutes ago, I asked him whether you were a mix between
              Zorix and Buu
   <dazjorz>  do you know the two?
   <rindolf>  Zoffix and buu.
       <Zuu>  nope
   <dazjorz>  uh zoffix yeah
   <dazjorz>  Zuu: okay, well, you don't know them, but believe me, I'm
              glad you're not a mix of the two, that would be horrible :P
       <Zuu>  im a mix of much worse personalities im sure
       <Zuu>  most of them just happen to cancel each other out

    -- Introudcing dazjorz to Zuu
    -- ##programming, Freenode